Podcast interview about the strength in vulnerability
Jason MacKenzie is an author, speaker & coach who teaches people how to find the courage to create new and deeper relationships with people, including their kids. And if they want to use those relationships to power personal and professional growth, he shows them how to do that too. He knows first-hand that there is tremendous strength in vulnerability.
Jason and I were able to relate to each other almost instantly when we met a few weeks ago. I felt that much of his story reflected parts of my own, and I was immediately curious to learn more about his passion for exploring and sharing vulnerability. He certainly came through in this podcast discussion, offering a very honest, raw and heartfelt perspective on a journey that has been both dark and light, heart-warming and heart-wrenching. I’m convinced that Jason’s willingness to openly share his experiences is going to help a lot of people.
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Jason is a survivor of his first wife’s battle with bipolar disorder and subsequent suicide. He’s also overcome a decade-long battle with alcohol and eventually stopped running from grief and fear, which allowed him to become the husband and father he is today.
After creating a website called “The Book of Open” to share his own gratitude journals, his efforts soon evolved into one of encouraging and empowering others to share their stories through his site. As Jason went on curating and connecting the experiences of others, the project caught the attention of Hogan Hilling, who approached him about writing a book. That turned into “The Dadly Book of Open: How Cultivating Vulnerability Makes You a Stronger, Wiser & More Courageous Father.”
When you finally break free of these crazy masks you think you’re supposed to wear and you connect as one human being to another, man there’s nothing like it. It’s the best feeling in the world.
– Jason MacKenzie
So much of Jason’s story resonates very clearly with me: growing up with an idea of leading a “stereotypical” life, how he thought that “real” guys “sucked it up” and pushed their feelings down. His battle with alcohol and the way it fit into his life sounds very similar to mine, and the fact that he “woke up” to embrace and share his authentic self only fairly recently is also something to which I can relate. Perhaps you can, too.
Having said that, Jason’s path has taken some twists and turns – both really, really good and completely, crushingly awful – that I have not experienced, and he describes those in a very candid fashion during our conversation.
Highlights from this conversation about strength in vulnerability:
- Growing Together – We discuss this at a few different points in the conversation, related not just to parents with their kids, but with their parents as well. As the generations turn and learn, we are all growing together.
- You will know when it is time for you to know – His description of the peace and the clarity of the moment when he knew he was done drinking is a great example of how, with any large, looming issue in your life that you’re not sure how to handle, you will know when it’s time. You’ll just know. And when that time arrives, you’ll know it.
- The power of vulnerability – Authentically sharing our true selves with others almost never pushes others away. It has the reverse effect: it almost always brings us closer together. When someone else shares and listens with authenticity, non-judgement and kindness, there is no greater way to deepen or create a connection with another human being. Jason has discovered this and you’ll clearly hear that in this discussion.
- Perseverance – He does a terrific job of describing the process of actually creating the book and what it took. Listen to that carefully because it’s an important lesson for just about anything that you do in life
I’ve become a person who sees hope and possibilities more so than he ever has been.
– Jason MacKenzie
Here is my conversation about the strength in vulnerability with Jason MacKenzie:
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